Comments on: Love it or Hate it – Breakout Players http://blackandteal.com/2011/05/31/love-it-or-hate-it-breakout-players/ A Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Jason Love http://blackandteal.com/2011/05/31/love-it-or-hate-it-breakout-players/comment-page-1/#comment-5130 Jason Love Tue, 31 May 2011 19:13:29 +0000 http://blackandteal.com/?p=7377#comment-5130 Thanks. You'll notice that I didn't recommend that Lane add weight. Lane has the frame to add weight. Your observations on Lane are correct. Honestly though, he doesn't have the pass rush moves to be the pass rushing end. Currently his best chance to be a starter and play near his potential is the position that he is fighting Derrick Harvey and Jeremy Mincey over (LDE), which is the run stopping end that can rush a little. Truly though, weight doesn't matter so long as athleticism isn't loss. It's a fine line, but something that I think Lane can walk. Again, second paragraph? I agree. I'd like to make a note though, that I think Cox is our best secondary player. I don't see him as breaking out. He has broken out, but is stuck behind the name that is Mathis. See my response to kjones to see my take on Greene. I agree in short, that he could be a DD type player. As for a FS helping the defense, I think its obvious that it will. I have high hopes for Prosinski. I had the privilege to write the post-draft synopsis on him and I came away impressed. If the Jags can get that centerfielder who can not get beat deep and actually provide solid tackling, the defense could take a real step forward, as I believe the CBs and SS are good enough in Mathis, Cox and Greene. I didn't include McGee. I have trepidations about the roster spot that he would take up. He will not be a corner for the Jags. He's purely a returner. Here's to hoping that the return game changes don't affect him too severely. Thanks. You’ll notice that I didn’t recommend that Lane add weight. Lane has the frame to add weight. Your observations on Lane are correct. Honestly though, he doesn’t have the pass rush moves to be the pass rushing end. Currently his best chance to be a starter and play near his potential is the position that he is fighting Derrick Harvey and Jeremy Mincey over (LDE), which is the run stopping end that can rush a little. Truly though, weight doesn’t matter so long as athleticism isn’t loss. It’s a fine line, but something that I think Lane can walk.

Again, second paragraph? I agree. I’d like to make a note though, that I think Cox is our best secondary player. I don’t see him as breaking out. He has broken out, but is stuck behind the name that is Mathis. See my response to kjones to see my take on Greene. I agree in short, that he could be a DD type player.

As for a FS helping the defense, I think its obvious that it will. I have high hopes for Prosinski. I had the privilege to write the post-draft synopsis on him and I came away impressed. If the Jags can get that centerfielder who can not get beat deep and actually provide solid tackling, the defense could take a real step forward, as I believe the CBs and SS are good enough in Mathis, Cox and Greene.

I didn’t include McGee. I have trepidations about the roster spot that he would take up. He will not be a corner for the Jags. He’s purely a returner. Here’s to hoping that the return game changes don’t affect him too severely.

]]> By: Kevin Grab http://blackandteal.com/2011/05/31/love-it-or-hate-it-breakout-players/comment-page-1/#comment-5129 Kevin Grab Tue, 31 May 2011 19:01:29 +0000 http://blackandteal.com/?p=7377#comment-5129 Interesting piece, Jason, Kudos! You won’t hear many arguments from me regarding what you wrote. Although, I will tell you that I don’t know that you would want Austen Lane to add on 20-30 lbs. He came in last year at 270-275 lbs. and you wouldn’t want your 4-3 ends being much heavier than 280-285. Granted, Lane will probably be more of a left end for most of his career, you still would not want him losing too much of his quickness off of the edge in rushing situations, nor would you want him to sacrifice any agility and lateral quickness defending opposing runners. I think 2 other players you might consider here are Derek Cox and Courtney Greene. Cox showed flashes of brilliance in his rookie season and a few more moments last year one he hot out of his funk. You never know when a guy like him might make that push in his 3rd season. Greene showed me last year he has the potential to be a nice “thumper” at strong safety in the mold of Donovin Darius. I think getting an instinctive and rangy player entrenched as the starter at the free safety position will have a ripple effect on the entire secondary. Will it be enough to bring the pass defense up into the top half of the league rankings? Likely not. Will it be enough to push the Jaguars back into the playoffs? Likely. I will also say that I will be excited to get Scotty McGee back into the fold. He ran back in forth in front of me in training camp last year fielding punts and kickoffs and I have to tell you that I felt a fresh breeze rush through the air every time he ran past me. The guy is lightning fast. If he can catch the ball, stay healthy, and not let the nerves get to him, he could be special. Interesting piece, Jason, Kudos! You won’t hear many arguments from me regarding what you wrote. Although, I will tell you that I don’t know that you would want Austen Lane to add on 20-30 lbs. He came in last year at 270-275 lbs. and you wouldn’t want your 4-3 ends being much heavier than 280-285. Granted, Lane will probably be more of a left end for most of his career, you still would not want him losing too much of his quickness off of the edge in rushing situations, nor would you want him to sacrifice any agility and lateral quickness defending opposing runners.

I think 2 other players you might consider here are Derek Cox and Courtney Greene. Cox showed flashes of brilliance in his rookie season and a few more moments last year one he hot out of his funk. You never know when a guy like him might make that push in his 3rd season. Greene showed me last year he has the potential to be a nice “thumper” at strong safety in the mold of Donovin Darius. I think getting an instinctive and rangy player entrenched as the starter at the free safety position will have a ripple effect on the entire secondary. Will it be enough to bring the pass defense up into the top half of the league rankings? Likely not. Will it be enough to push the Jaguars back into the playoffs? Likely.

I will also say that I will be excited to get Scotty McGee back into the fold. He ran back in forth in front of me in training camp last year fielding punts and kickoffs and I have to tell you that I felt a fresh breeze rush through the air every time he ran past me. The guy is lightning fast. If he can catch the ball, stay healthy, and not let the nerves get to him, he could be special.

]]> By: Jason Love http://blackandteal.com/2011/05/31/love-it-or-hate-it-breakout-players/comment-page-1/#comment-5128 Jason Love Tue, 31 May 2011 18:48:48 +0000 http://blackandteal.com/?p=7377#comment-5128 I agree. Miller is a player with vast potential. He's got the size, speed and hands to be something special. His role with the Jags isn't one to be a star though, not with Marcedes on the team at least. Miller (if healthy) will receive more playing time this year than last and will see his role increased considerably if Gabbert takes over, as we all know that QBs love their TE dump off passes. Courtney Greene. Yea, he could be poised to be a good player next year. I tend to believe that the Jags think that Greene could be their starting SS for the time being. Prosinski is probably more of a FS. Greene's emergence wouldn't really be a surprise though, he was doing pretty well (as I saw it, at least) until he got hurt. His stats over the year would have been impressive. His is less of a breakout and more of a staying healthy and people realizing hes got some Donovan Darius type SS potential. I agree. Miller is a player with vast potential. He’s got the size, speed and hands to be something special. His role with the Jags isn’t one to be a star though, not with Marcedes on the team at least. Miller (if healthy) will receive more playing time this year than last and will see his role increased considerably if Gabbert takes over, as we all know that QBs love their TE dump off passes.

Courtney Greene. Yea, he could be poised to be a good player next year. I tend to believe that the Jags think that Greene could be their starting SS for the time being. Prosinski is probably more of a FS. Greene’s emergence wouldn’t really be a surprise though, he was doing pretty well (as I saw it, at least) until he got hurt. His stats over the year would have been impressive. His is less of a breakout and more of a staying healthy and people realizing hes got some Donovan Darius type SS potential.

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